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Ryofu Pussel

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 10 months ago

An extraxt from an eComm that I received:

"I'm still wonderfing if RI might object to the religion section since Rotary has a policy of being non religious and non political in nature. Many clubs use a variety of references, but few use specific regligious themes. It is RI policy and some thing to consider."

It is not important, who of our members wrote this, it is important that he/she has given voice to his/her opinion. I respect this. 

Also important is that this should be a discussion starter. As a clergy person, it is naturally for me to include the "spiritual thought" into our meetings; comparing two religious leaders serves not being one-sided; and in particular I see the quotes that I chose as PHILOSOPHICAL, not religious.

BUT I am open to discussions, and if the majority of our club prefes to drop the "spiritual thought" corner, I will do so immediately. Hey, last not least this would mean less work for me. Laughing

I put up a poll for the next two weeks, so please vote. I will respect the majoriy decision.

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Jack Selway

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 10 months ago

Yes, but in keeping with RI policy, this could be a reflective thought, peace, kindness, but not necessarily from any one or any religion. Paul Harris first proposed this thought and also suggested that political views be avoided. Saying that, customs vary around the world. There is one club which voted to change their by laws to allow only "Christians" as members.

The RI philosophy is that we are Rotarians and this moment in our meeting could celebrate Rotary values, visions, hopes, and dreams.

Jack Selway, the Rotarian who raised the issue.

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Ryofu Pussel

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 9 months ago

OK, Jack; still collecting ideas from fellow RECSWUSAnians.

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Jack Selway

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Title: What RI tells us about Religious messages
Posted: 9 months ago

This is what I on the RI website in the official Manual of Procedures.

Invocations and Prayers

Rotary clubs throughout the world include members who have many religious beliefs and values and are united in service to humanity. Each Rotary club, being autonomous, should use its own good judgment in conducting its meetings in a manner that reflects Rotary’s basic principle of tolerance and encourages Rotarians’ participation in humanitarian service projects. (RCP 8.010.)

Policies on Cooperative Relationships

Rotary clubs, Rotary districts, and other Rotary Entities must not accept a cooperative relationship that involves any of the following:

• Alcoholic beverages or tobacco products

• Firearms or explosives

• Promotion of a political or religious entity

• Products containing habit-forming or dangerous drugs

• Abortion

The first section of the Manual of Procedures appears to be the one for our eClub to consider. The second is one which we all should be aware. The RI website is a great resource. ... Jack Selway

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Larry Levenson

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Posted: 9 months ago

I think the Jesus/Buddha quotes are prety limiting since we're a global club of many religions. I really like what Steph was doing last year with the quotes. Some of those were fabulous! I suggest we go back to that format (and I already have it in my notes to do that in 2009-10!).

Thanks for asking, Ryofu!

Larry

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Lew

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Title: Re: your input required for
Posted: 9 months ago

A few years ago I was in charge of Invocations at District Conference.

The mandate given to me by the DG, who is a very religious guy by the way, was to keep them non denomational, and reference a higher being without specifically naming God, Buddha etc.

 I have it on a old computer laying around, the intro went something like this:

Recognizing that Rotary encompasses all Religions, all colors, etc.

 Lew

 

Ryofu said:

An extraxt from an eComm that I received:

"I'm still wonderfing if RI might object to the religion section since Rotary has a policy of being non religious and non political in nature. Many clubs use a variety of references, but few use specific regligious themes. It is RI policy and some thing to consider."

It is not important, who of our members wrote this, it is important that he/she has given voice to his/her opinion. I respect this. 

Also important is that this should be a discussion starter. As a clergy person, it is naturally for me to include the "spiritual thought" into our meetings; comparing two religious leaders serves not being one-sided; and in particular I see the quotes that I chose as PHILOSOPHICAL, not religious.

BUT I am open to discussions, and if the majority of our club prefes to drop the "spiritual thought" corner, I will do so immediately. Hey, last not least this would mean less work for me. Laughing

I put up a poll for the next two weeks, so please vote. I will respect the majoriy decision.

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Frank Longoria

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 9 months ago

I agree with Jack, Larry, and Lew.  When I was a member of a terra Rotary Club, I always wondered how members of other religions felt when we mentioned Jesus Christ.  Judging from our members, we obviously did not have members that were not Christians.  However, is this the right thing to do?  Considering that we are more of a global eClub, I would not want to offend people that have other beliefs.  So I would vote for something more general in nature.Laughing

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Beth Wexler

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 9 months ago

I believe that an inspirational or reflective thought would be preferable to a religious passage.  Steph did a great job last year with his quotes, and i would like to deviate toward that format during my presidential year.  Words of wisdom or spiritual insight, which excludes religious references, seems to be the common thread here.

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Jack Selway

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Title: This Poll Tells For You.
Posted: 9 months ago

Beth Wexler and Frank Longoria did not vote in the poll and still could do so. Their comments are solid, but not reflected in the poll.

Wish there were more participants in all forums and polls.

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Frank Longoria

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 9 months ago

I did not vote because I could not find the poll.  I am sure that I am not looking in the right places.  My vote would be to have something inspirational and something related to Rotary like others have suggested.  Can anyone help me to find the poll?

Thanks!Embarassed

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Jack Selway

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Title: Where's the poll?
Posted: 9 months ago

The poll should appear at the very top of the page. Only four have used it of the six who expressed opinions, not including the president. Once you vote, you'll see a note that you have voted and cannot do so again.

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Frank Longoria

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Title: your input required for
Posted: 9 months ago

I am sorry, but I still cannot find the poll.  I have voted on countless occasions, and I have never had a problem.  I think that Ryofu must have taken it down by now.  I will send Ryofu a pm regarding the issue and include my vote.

 

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